time machine

[gandom]

the reality and fantasy are two members of science which are play important role in humanity requires to achieve his goal...my mean from goal was understanding the mechanism of the world clearly.
in this topic we're gonna find out that time machine is really exists or not....



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[Ali Ahmadi]

I, personally , believe that this can be done in close future,

the technology we need for creating such a huge working machine, must have something to do with Relativity, Space and Time,
we have to discuss about the Einstein Relativities ,
and travelling through time, as a dream, has always been human's obsession all these 6000 years of civilization, people couldn't come up with the losses and have always been looking for secret passages to the past, to heal all the wounds that would destroy their upcoming future.,

but,
can we really go back in time?
what if someone kills his or her grandpa ? :D

[space]

I think traveling in time is one of the humans dreams today
but many former dreams are part of our lives now a day.
I think science have to find new theory and new way of thinking about universe because our theory doesn't let us travel in time today.

"as hawking said if we can't travel in time it is important to know why we can't".

[Ali Ahmadi]

True,

but this is so not clear,

if we're gonna erase it all again, and reform our way of looking at the universe, all the efforts in this last 9 decades will be ruined, completely obsolete.,
but let's imagine that this whole physics is right, and try to fit this time machine into it,

Is there really a way to travel in time?

we all know about the micro black holes, and the theory of travelling through time and space layers,
cant these two projects relate to each other? Speed Of Light.,?

[miladpn]

so i ask a question !
how it will work ? it's want to be faster than speed of light ؟ According to the general theory of relativity ؟


I think we can make time machine

[gandom]

True,

but this is so not clear,

if we're gonna erase it all again, and reform our way of looking at the universe, all the efforts in this last 9 decades will be ruined, completely obsolete.,
but let's imagine that this whole physics is right, and try to fit this time machine into it,

Is there really a way to travel in time?

we all know about the micro black holes, and the theory of travelling through time and space layers,
cant these two projects relate to each other? Speed Of Light.,?

but what about the revolution? if we believe in the past science without any doubt, there wont be any advance in science...we will need a revolution in our history to change our beliefs ....even after 9 decades!
so i disagree with this reason of time traveling:have%20a%20nice%20d
but in this topic we need to know the last theories of time traveling and then maybe we can prove them wrong!:grin:

[|Alireza|]

I have a question
How to solve the paradox of killing themselves or family members?:)
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This is a easiest question that we know;)!
And there's so much we do not know!.

[gandom]

I have a question
How to solve the paradox of killing themselves or family members?:)
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This is a easiest question that we know;)!
And there's so much we do not know!.


please clarify your question Mr alireza....thanks

[|Alireza|]

please clarify your question Mr alireza....thanks
For example I'm going back to a time before our birthday!
And then I killed my mother:( !
Or go back to the time of the creation of Adam!
and kill adam:blink:!
So our existence go (under question;)!!

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However, I think! Can be answered by referring to the science of metaphysics!
!
But I don't Know!!

[gandom]

For example I'm going back to a time before our birthday!
And then I killed my mother:( !
Or go back to the time of the creation of Adam!
and kill adam:blink:!
So our existence go (under question;)!!

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However, I think! Can be answered by referring to the science of metaphysics!
!
But I don't Know!!


wow! i've never thought about that! ...so maybe there would be some kind of limitation...what you said was about fiction....like some kind of movies ...i remember mario brothers...they travel to stone age and tried to taught people how to make machine and finally they found out that the time must pass itself :))
;)in this topic we're just gonna inform about the way of traveling and the arrival is important not after it somehow ...but we can also discuss about it later

[Ali Ahmadi]

but what about the revolution? if we believe in the past science without any doubt, there wont be any advance in science...we will need a revolution in our history to change our beliefs ....even after 9 decades!
so i disagree with this reason of time traveling:have%20a%20nice%20d
but in this topic we need to know the last theories of time traveling and then maybe we can prove them wrong!:grin:



I believe in revolutions, i know its so essential, and i know the whole relativity theory was a complete revolution in physics definitions!
but now,
you know, there are some real observed Facts, that can't be simply denied...,

for preparing a kind of revolution, in any branches of physics, a kind of denial toward many scientific facts must be taken care of,
but can we deny the speed of light?
can we deny the Cosmos Length , radius?
can we forget all the MAP project photos? Microwave view of the world, a kinda approval to the BIG BANG,.

i think, we've reached the dizzy heights, of that dreamed of world ;)
But there's one little piece of puzzle that is missing,,,

Just find it,

[ESA Moon]

in our time it is wrong to talk about time machine
i think it is beyond understanding in today world
for example think :
one of me in 1 second a go
one of me in 2 second a go
one of me in 3 second a go
,...
because it i have screaming human for me!

[Ali Ahmadi]

in our time it is wrong to we talk about time machine
i think it is beyond understanding in today world
for example think :
one of me in 1 second a go
one of me in 2 second a go
one of me in 1 second a go
,...
because it i have screaming human for me!

you may be right,
But, Human kind, will soon run out of all the remaining resources,
it cant be obtained unless we use a whole new brand of technological information,
thinking about things , that once were a dream., thinking about definitions that are certainly Beyond our Understanding powers,

[space]

so what about traveling in time without breaking light speed?
is it possible?
and if a scientist find a way for it does governments let people understand?i dont think

[Ali Ahmadi]

http://erkelzaar.tsudao.com/timetravel/mallett/Ronald-Mallets-Time-Machine.gif

Ordinary people look at time travelling process like this ;D
You see? it's so easy :D

[Ali Ahmadi]

so what about traveling in time without breaking light speed?
is it possible?
and if a scientist find a way for it does governments let people understand?i dont think

True,
i agree, there are so many political issues that can be considered,
there's a law, there's an arm, there's a hand,

but,
i personally think, The definition of Time is so much involved with the speed of light, , , ,, u know.., in our mind, the speed of light, is the fact that chooses many things,
let's say we reached that speed, what will our eyes observe..?
it must be so close to what happens to our ears when we reach the speed of sound.,

[|Alireza|]

in this topic we're just gonna inform about the way of traveling and the arrival is important not after it somehow ...but we can also discuss about it later
Sorry for off topic
I did not attentive!
Thanks for the reminder
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I think if the fact that black holes and white holes are true
When light is absorbed by the black hole
If photons have to be out of the white hole
So we see white holes:blink:!
But we are not see it
So
There is a problem;)
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Or that the theory is wrong:blink:!!
Or is there somethings we do not know!
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N.c!:As far as I know, anything that enters a black hole is converted into its components.
So light
are converted to Photons !

[Ali Ahmadi]

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I think if the fact that black holes and white holes is true
When light is absorbed by the black hole
If photons have to be out of the white hole
So we see white holes:blink:!
But we are not see it
So
There is a problem;)
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N.c!:As far as I know, anything that enters a black hole is converted into its components.
So light
are converted to Photons !


You're right.,
If there is a White hole, it must be white, there must be light coming out of it,
but what if the white holes of today's black holes, are somewhere else, somewhere different in time and space,
and!
it takes time, for a light to be absorbed, and then pushed out again from a white hole.. and then reach earth, , , ,and the light pulses, will be linear, they may not be in our earth's alongs, , , , and the distance.. maybe there are so many white holes, still unseen , , ,

[gandom]

but be aware that when we talk about color in physics...we don't mean the exact visible colors! for example consider a Black body such as our sun...is it really black?...we just use the black and white terms to show the range of absorbed energy of a body or absorbed range of energy from it...it doesn't mean that it's white or black ;)

[Ali Ahmadi]

True, im afraid this wont lead us to anywhere.,
Lets start from the very beginning.,

What is Time?

[gandom]

Think that you have a date in a second floor of a mall where has an exact lan(x) and long(y) and height(z). but when you don’t mention an exact time, your friend doesn’t know when he should be present at the mall! Then you will need TIME !...we don’t see the time cause it’s not visible for us but we can just feel it!...time is in 4th dimension . where you can put the world into an egg!!


here you see a simulation of 4th dimension

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[Ali Ahmadi]

sorry for the Absence., i've been out.,

well..., so?
can this definition of time help us?
we want to travel through time,, with science, some kind of scientific machine.,
so , a branch of physics must be considered,
a branch of physics, that has the most relativity with Time,
what is that branch?

it surely is no Astronomy.,

[nimaronaghi]

see i have primitive theory which -somehow!- solves the killing paradox:
if i could travel in time and had no ability to enter that time (just as an observer) the paradox would be solved!!!
the basic idea for this theory is the fact that -in physics- the observer affects the experiment!
this fact is familiar to physicists
but hold on!
considering that the theory can solve this Paradox on killing here's sth else came to my mind:
if i nicely could travel in time, but would have no effect on things going on that time so i'm not traveled!
if i even just wanted to watch the things going on, at least a light beam should effect me(in sense of seeing thing) so that light beam is under influence! here is the paradox
how could i see the things without making effects on them!???

[Ali Ahmadi]

see i have primitive theory which -somehow!- solves the killing paradox:
if i could travel in time and had no ability to enter that time (just as an observer) the paradox would be solved!

well, try to inject it into science.,
for observation,
u need eyes., for having eyes, u have to breathe, eat, u have to influence every single thing.,
but u're right, the paradox would be completely solved in that way.,

in scientific possible ways of travelling in time, travelling in place is irresistible., can't be done.,
reach the speed of light,
make a hole in space-time layer.,
you traveled in space too..
SO
if we travel in time,
we undoubtedly traveled in place,,,
we wont be in our same last position anymore.,

u agree?


look at this picture,
dont care about the words.,
but if we pass through the hole,
we'll be kicked out on the other side of NOWHERE
what's ur idea?
http://rogerbourland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/time-travel-wormhole2.jpeg

[nimaronaghi]

well, try to inject it into science.,
for observation,
u need eyes., for having eyes, u have to breathe, eat, u have to influence every single thing.,
but u're right, the paradox would be completely solved in that way.,

in scientific possible ways of travelling in time, travelling in place is irresistible., can't be done.,
reach the speed of light,
make a hole in space-time layer.,
you traveled in space too..
SO
if we travel in time,
we undoubtedly traveled in place,,,
we wont be in our same last position anymore.,

u agree?


look at this picture,
dont care about the words.,
but if we pass through the hole,
we'll be kicked out on the other side of NOWHERE
what's ur idea?
http://rogerbourland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/time-travel-wormhole2.jpeg
as long as you said we travel in space-time, the only way that justifies travelling without effecting is to travel just in time coordinate, means the position should be constant, theoretically its possible!

[Ali Ahmadi]

absolutely, but there's one last essential question, how?

we have to try to make a new way of time travelling, in which we only travel in time, and not the space.,

[|Alireza|]

Hi all:)

If we assume that all time travel paradoxes would be solved

On this trip what our purpose(aim) of time?

Where is the origin?

The origin, time is a human creation
?
If the origin,time is the universe creation be considered
.
Can we go back to the Big Bang؟.:blink:

[gandom]

Hi all:)



If we assume that all time travel paradoxes would be solved


On this trip what our purpose(aim) of time?


Where is the origin?


The origin, time is a human creation
?
If the origin,time is the universe creation be considered



.
Can we go back to the Big Bang؟.:blink:




you mean travelling by a theory to reach another theory??:13:
if it's true,tell me your explanation of human creation

[Ali Ahmadi]

for making a fact out of what u said,
a great imagination must be done,
we'll need a long long wormhole,
cuz that BigBang point, is FAR FAR AWAY

[gandom]

for making a fact out of what u said,
a great imagination must be done,
we'll need a long long wormhole,
cuz that BigBang point, is FAR FAR AWAY

but for formation of a wormhole we need two blackholes for making a hole in spacetime and travel in spacetime...at the bing bang moment there were n't any blackhole to prove wormhole right!

[Ali Ahmadi]

so,
the time needed for creation of the first blackholes in any COSMOS imagined,can be calculated,

so by using the blackhole stuff, the longest distance we can travel is measurable.,

true?

[|Alireza|]

you mean travelling by a theory to reach another theory??:13:
if it's true,tell me your explanation of human creation



sorry for late answer
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no,no,no

i mean ,in this trip!

How much we go back?

1year? 100year? 1000year? 10000year?
how much??

tnx:گل

[gandom]

so,
the time needed for creation of the first blackholes in any COSMOS imagined,can be calculated,

so by using the blackhole stuff, the longest distance we can travel is measurable.,

true?

and exactly we need the one who has the age as same as that old blackhole. whenever your body was not exist in that time,so you can not travel to that time:)

[Ali Ahmadi]

Basically i believe there is no way to travel to past in time,

How can u come up with the PARADOXES?


what if i go back 5 minutes in time and kill myself trying to go back in time?!!

what if i kill my parents before im born?
all these paradoxes simply imply that we cant travel to past but to future.,

Speed travelling, close to the speed of light,
circling around the Black holes,

wise methods of time travelling, to future.,

whats ur idea?

[gandom]

what if we can limit this kind of travelling with some rules?...then we can have a healthy travel:Psmiley:
think about promlems of this travel and then we're gonna make our own TIME MACHIN!
let think imaginary and forget about your mind limitation and then right it down in this topic!
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WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR OWN TIME MACHIN....DON'T FORGET IT!

[COLDFIRE]

I wanna ask an important question... Imagine that we've already built a time machine, then how can we be sure that by traveling through time we'll be still on the earth?
I mean that earth orbits sun,sun orbits the center of milky way, milky way moves among other galaxies and... And so if we travel then maybe we'll appear in the empty space! Or many other things!
Am I right??

[Ali Ahmadi]

True ,
it depends on our time machine though.,
the portal may be on the earth but the other door.,!!?

lets discuss the paradox,

if we travel to future, and meet our old friends,,,
what do they see? they lost their friend ten years ago,!
now he's here...

[gandom]

True ,
it depends on our time machine though.,
the portal may be on the earth but the other door.,!!?

lets discuss the paradox,

if we travel to future, and meet our old friends,,,
what do they see? they lost their friend ten years ago,!
now he's here...

but you can not travel to the time that you wouldn't exist!
if there will be no mass of you then you can't travel to that time

[nimaronaghi]

but you can not travel to the time that you wouldn't exist!
if there will be no mass of you then you can't travel to that time

if we could travel in time, our mass(just like the other parameters) must travel too, whether future or past. This that you mentioned is not traveling in time it's just looking the future or past which, as i think, is more possible!

[Ali Ahmadi]

but you can not travel to the time that you wouldn't exist!
if there will be no mass of you then you can't travel to that time

so time travelling is just like a joke,!!

we cant go to past because of the paradoxes,
we cant go to future due to mass stuff

so we cant go to anywhere :|
if we travel through time, its wiser to consider it as a kind of mass travelling,
if we get in a black hole,
we are certainly ourselves when we get out of it
so we transferred that MASS
hmm?